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thehoghunter
11-27-2007, 09:53 AM
Here's a quick 'how-to' to build this easy project - larger sized pics and video can be seen at Penguins-on-ice (http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/)
You may find a better way to do some of the things - post your ideas. As you can tell, I still haven't finished - note Great Stuff overflow still has to be removed and the pvc pipe on the edge of the 'ice' in some spots (hiding mistakes) - I may do the whole edge and glue 'snow' to it.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice.jpg

1. 1 each 32 X 44 Acrylic clear sheet (plexi-glass) - leave protective plastic on sheet while drilling holes and cutting circle. You can use any light material that is stiff enough to stay straight, won't be ruined by rain/water sprinklers/ice/snow. I just wanted plexi-glass to light it from underneath with blue/white lights.

2. 1 each Animated Deer motor - animated deers can be found anywhere - cheapest I've found is at Walgreens - $14.99 with $5.00 rebate (rebate is per household so you can only get one at $9.99) - a link to replacement motors was offered up by LovingtheHolidays in
Animated deer motor (http://christmasfanclub.com/showthread.php?t=220) - not the same as I used but may be useful - see the comments in that thread.

3. 2 each spare chunks of 2X4 for base

4. 2 each spare pieces of L brace (don't know the official name of it).

5. 2 each spare aluminum stock - each approx 5 inches long

6. 4 each Dollar Store stuffed penguins

7. 2 cans of window/door Great Stuff (ok, so you don't need 2 cans if you have used it before...my first time and the stuff when all over after filling the penguins. You probably won't even need 1 can! Make sure to Follow SAFETY guidelines on the can!!!)

8. 1/2" pvc pipe - enough to shove up at least halfway inside each penguin leaving some out for mounting penguin to 'ice'. It matters how big YOUR skaters are as how much pvc you need.

9. 4 each 1/2" pvc end caps and connectors/elbows.

10. 4 each 3/4" length 1/4 screw, washers, and nuts (to mount penguins via pvc end caps)

11. 2 each 1" length 1/4 screw, washers, and nuts - and 2 each 1/2" length 1/4 screw and nuts - for mounting 'ice' and braces

12. 2 each steel brace - I think it's steel...maybe not - see pics. approx 32" long.

First - Get out your gloves, goggles, Great Stuff, pvc pipe, and penguins. Oh, and a bag. Open the penguins up - I cut a hole behind the one leg large enough for the pvc pipe to go up into the body. From that hole, I removed all the poly-filler and put it into a bag (for later use as SNOW...waste nothing - that's not in the pics ... yet). Shove a piece of pvc up into the penguin - measure to bottom of foot - cut pipe. Do the same for all the penguins.

Put on goggles and gloves. Shake Great Stuff. Get out of the living room and go outside with the GS, measured/cut pvc pipe, and penguins. Fill them up via the hole behind the leg. Don't overfill (like I did).

Let them sit for a day and work on the rest of the stuff.

Remove motor from deer - save mounting 'bolts'/nuts to mount on base. Save the crank for another project (although I used the nut from it on this).
Use spare chunks of 2X4 and L brace to build base - see pics (I left room to mount another longer L brace on the ends for stability when I put it in the front yard). Drill holes for motor hardware by putting motor in base and marking where holes will be - two bolts holding motor together will fit right into holes in L brace so motor "should" be stable and easily mounted. After messing around with attempts at pulleys, cranks, and other stuff - mounting straight to the motor was SO much easier.

Take your two aluminum stock pieces - bend to 90 degrees at 2 1/2 inches (or lower or higher - up to you as long as each is the same AND covers the shaft + ... again, see pics). Drill hole for small bolt (which I forgot to mention in list of stuff you need) - I just used one I had laying around that fit the nut from the old crank from the deer motor. This is the only connection from the flat braces to the motor - make sure you aren't using some cheap bolt here that will snap. (Note - this may be one place where a better idea may come from someone else on mounting these pieces to the motor)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/small-pics-linked2christmasfanclub/motor-sideview.jpg

Drill 2 1/4" holes in the other end of the aluminum bent stock pieces - this is where it mounts to the flat braces (which help hold up the plexiglass). Mount aluminum bent stock pieces to motor shaft (see pics).

Mount one of the flat braces to aluminum bent stock pieces. Mount other flat brace as seen in pics (you'll need to cut a couple of extra little braces...) Use 2 each 1/2" length 1/4" bolts/nuts and 2 each 1" length 1/4" bolts/nuts. Screws go up to be the turning points for the 'ice'.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/small-pics-linked2christmasfanclub/base-done.jpg

Cut out 'ice' - I used the only blade I had for plex-glass. Unfortunately, it's on my skill (circular) saw, not my jigsaw. So, I had some 'fun' making a circle. But, it will do. I did take a marker and string to draw the circle to have a line to follow - since you leave the protective plastic on, you don't have to worry about the line being there later if you cut wrong. The plexi-glass would not hold up by itself which is why you need to use flat braces. Using a thin wood painted white would probably work as well (without the need of long braces).

Place 'ice' on mounting screws - mark where holes will be on 'ice'. Drill holes - let the drill do the work - don't force it as that may lead to cracks. The plexi-glass is too expensive to be having to buy another piece.

Mount 'ice' on base. Note that I did not use the nuts to mount the 'ice' - the holes I drilled were bigger to allow it to slip down around the nuts or onto the nuts - the only time I actually tighten down bolts/nuts with the 'ice' is on the outside with the pvc end-caps. If you tighten down to much, you will crack the 'ice'. You may also note I have a few 'extra' holes - measure your 'ice' to find the center so you know where you should drill through the first time (yea, I'm impatient).

With 'ice' on base, mark where you want to drill through to mount your ice-skaters. Remove 'ice' and drill holes (let the drill do the work). Drill a hole through each end of the pvc end-caps to put 3/4" length 1/4" screw through to go through end-cap, into 'ice', and through flat brace. Put nut (oops, and washer - forgot about them!) on and tighten down. You can test that the 'ice' isn't wobbly and that it's level (as much as possible)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/small-pics-linked2christmasfanclub/end-cap-1.jpg


Go get your penguins if they are dry/hard. Hopefully, none of them have GS all over the outside (or you have more work to do - remove it as much as possible, then use permanent markers to color the GS to that appropriate color OR just leave it as yellow snow!). Place connector onto pvc pipe - place penguin on end-cap. Do all 4. The 'ice' should be stable - no wobbling (I actually had to put a tie-wrap under one part of my motor to keep it steady). Plug it in and see if it works. If it doesn't - try moving your penguin mounting points in/out and double check that one bolt that holds all this on the motor shaft.

I also still need to put 'skates' on these guys - my wife came up with tea light candles - take the metal bottoms off, squish them at the edges into 'skates'. Still not sure I'll use that, or just change out my 'skaters' for my backup plan of Penguin Family (http://www.collectionsetc.com/Item81163.aspx?alias=NRK7281163)(although they also still need skates) (added 1 Dec 07 - wife saw my backup plan - mumbled something like "My precious!", gathered them up and I'm not allowed to touch them.)

SantaPaws
11-27-2007, 01:10 PM
I think that is a really nice idea. I think I would make it so the ice stays still.

Sickie Ickie
11-27-2007, 01:55 PM
That's the great thing about how-to's. You can tweak another person's project to meet your own ideas. :)

Great job with the how to! I may be doing this project myself if I have the time!

BTW, your project was approved. :)

thehoghunter
11-27-2007, 06:21 PM
fyi - I tried it with the 'ice' sitting still - now, I would have to agree that it SHOULD look better (or maybe more real since real ice doesn't move), but it doesn't - well it doesn't to my wife or me (maybe because the flat brace is now on top of the ice). So I put it back the way I had it. I'll upload a video of what you suggested on photobucket tomorrow along with one as is (both night time).

The other thing I failed to mention - once you have it the way you want it, take the protective plastic off the plexi-glass and rub the plexi-glass with sandpaper or steel wool to make it more of an opaque versus clear. I only did one side with steel wool but may get around to doing the other once I get the rest of it done.

Thanks for the feedback :)

bethene
11-28-2007, 02:23 AM
what a great idea I love it!

Mummy deer-est
11-28-2007, 05:14 AM
That is a great prop!

Sickie Ickie
11-28-2007, 05:28 AM
I'm almost sure I'll build that this year! :D

thehoghunter
11-28-2007, 06:04 AM
Another thought for the 'ice' to not move may be to have the skaters linked by their hands (the GS foam gets hard enough but a coat hanger wire snaked through each character would probably help).
Then have something (a christmas tree, a snowman, or even another skater) in the middle that the skaters can be connected to. The motor spins the middle character, and the skaters. That removes the flat braces, giving the look that the skaters are actually skating on the 'ice'. It would also remove the individual pvc connections for each skater.
Drawbacks:
1. With the motor I use, it goes one way on startup, then the other way the next time so the skaters may be skating backwards (which would still be okay I guess).
2. You would have to get the measurements correct to get the skaters to be just above the ice. (I'll be leaving this to you to do - I may try it for next year).

Sickie Ickie
11-28-2007, 07:40 AM
I thought the same solution last night, hog. Prob is I live near Chicago, and we tend to get snow here which may cause the skaters to get hung up on drifts that land on the "ice".

thehoghunter
11-28-2007, 09:18 AM
Well, the legs actually don't have GS foam in them - they are loose, just hanging down (the legs were sewn on separate by manufacture) so it still might work. It matters what you use for skaters and how they are made. But it's a good comment to make about snow/ice and such. I don't have those worries - just an automated sprinkler system that is community controlled.

Brightside
11-28-2007, 10:28 AM
Man, that is great. Thanks for the how-to

Nancj
11-30-2007, 04:51 PM
Very cool, Love it! I wouldn't be supprised to see that idea marketed in stores real soon.
nice job on the how to also.

HollyDaze
12-01-2007, 09:09 AM
That is one of the cutest projects I've seen in a long, long time. Well done!

thehoghunter
12-06-2007, 12:02 PM
Thanks for all the comments - finally finished this last night - took video this morning and will take another tonight (with lights).
Tree was from walmart - 'snow' was the stuffing in the 'guins.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/th_100_7296.jpg

Mummy deer-est
12-06-2007, 12:59 PM
Very good job, Hog...can't see it very well, but do the penguins have "skates" on thier booties?

Sickie Ickie
12-06-2007, 05:26 PM
Love the recycling of the stuffing! Waste not want not. Great idea!...Again!

Blinky
12-26-2007, 02:10 AM
this is such a cute idea I think I will make one with a snowman and some penguins..
I'm sure I can catch a snowman today in the after Christmas sells at Lowes are some thing..Maybe even Walgreens..

thehoghunter
12-26-2007, 07:11 AM
MD - yes, they have 'skates' - went with my wife's idea of squished tea light candles (some have a metal cup on them) - just took the cup off the candle, squished it together and glued on to the booties. 2 have fallen off so far so I guess I'll fix that for next year.

Sickie Ickie
12-26-2007, 07:13 AM
Our mall had their version of yours, hog. Full sized figures on rotating ice about 2 feet wide. GOes to show, great minds think alike!

Blinky
12-28-2007, 11:08 AM
I'm having trouble finding some of the stuff I need to do this project and I wanted a gingerbread house too , so I was thinking maybe changing it to gingerbread man & women
with a house in the middle.and maybe small lolly pops and candy canes around the edge of it and make the base look like cookie sheet or a plater..but any way it is a cute idea
I have a old stereo turn table in storage I was thinking of using to make it go round.
Do you think the stereo would work as a turner what did you use?

Xmaslilly
12-30-2007, 06:32 AM
Really great prop..
I love penguins
did you ever get a nite shot?

Sickie Ickie
12-30-2007, 01:19 PM
Stereo will work, but what matters is the weight on it. A plastic round silver platter would work as a base if you have small gingerbread people skating. Larger items may weigh too much and cause the motor to stop. How much is too much? Depends. The players I have picked up at the thrift stores, I have been able to stop by hand.

thehoghunter
12-31-2007, 06:12 AM
Yes, the night video is http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/?action=view&current=100_7297.flv

I probably need to figure out better lighting for it - but that's for next year, along with version 2.

Mummy deer-est
12-31-2007, 09:05 AM
I just really can't get over how cut that is!

Blinky
12-31-2007, 11:28 AM
Hoghunter That is so cute I love it.. what size motor did you use. I think You Did a outstanding job on it.

thehoghunter
01-01-2008, 06:42 AM
Thanks everyone. The motor is from one of those animated deer that you can pick up during the Christmas season. It's weather-proof, no need for wiring up anything (like with the wiper motors), simple plug and play. The only issue is making sure you can take the motor and redesign the crank for your needs. I've only seen one that the crank was put on in a way that was hard to duplicate - it has a screw going into the top of the crank coming out of the motor. Otherwise, it worked great for this project and for my Halloween FCG. It's a little slow for some other projects like the penguins decorating the house.

Blinky
01-01-2008, 07:18 AM
Dear Hoghunter as you know Samantha wants penguins for her party next year. and do you think this motor would move a lite weight flipper of a penguin that is holding a pvc candy cane> what size plywood did you use I cut my out of 1/2" Thanks for your help.

Sickie Ickie
01-01-2008, 10:45 AM
These motors have pretty good torque. You shouldn't have any probs with a flipper/candy cane, Blinks.

Nancj
01-01-2008, 12:46 PM
Hoghunter that is too cool, I did not know that it lit up underneath like that at night.
just an idea though, if your looking to lite it up a bit more how about adding some lights to the tree, maybe it'll help illuminate it a bit more at night?
tealite cup holders for skates!!? very clever:)

CaptnJackSparrow
01-01-2008, 06:55 PM
Absolutely great prop!! Watching it tho... somethings just not right.. It looks strange that all of them are facing outwards, going in a circle, standing straight up. 'Gotta throw science into it... if they were going in a circle, facing out, they would need to be leaning back... think of the IceCapades or Olympics.. to fix it easy would be to turn them so they are facing the direction the table's turning.. hmmm, except.. youuuu said the table turns different directions when starting... ...well, skaters skate backwards too ;)

TJ

thehoghunter
01-02-2008, 06:12 AM
skygodtj - Will try to incorporate those thoughts into version 2 - one of the thoughts I had was to make it so they spun freely in place - then as the 'table' turned, have some type of arm that hit them causing them to spin.

And they aren't completely straight now - the way the pvc pipe coming out of their body is held by the Great Stuff foam, they each were just a little bit off - by the time I saw it, I didn't have time to correct the placement so they could have been more off - giving what you describe, a more Ice Capades feel. The things I did try on this version was to make each pvc pipe a bit different lenght - but only one penguin looks to be a bit higher as if in the middle of a jump - but it's not enough to tell from the video. I did have one with a 45 degree elbow on the bottom, giving the look that it was just about to fall over, but then one keeps waiting for it to fall over and it never happens! :)

Nancj - lighting the tree would be difficult unless I used batteries - and then getting the batteries to turn off/on at the same time everything else turned on at dusk... Plus, it would light up the back of the penguins - my issue is on the front, as you can see from the night time video. I really need to spot light the whole thing. But, again, the improvements are for next year's plan.

CaptnJackSparrow
01-02-2008, 08:47 AM
HH.. Yeah I see it in the second video, the first one had what I was describing, but it looks much better, lifelike, in the second.. they are very good!! If you can find 4 swivel plates from lazy-susans.. bolt them to the plexiglass, then mount the 'guins PVC pipe to it, shud cause each of the penguins to spin with the plexiglass rotation. A definate project for next season!

Hey, just thot of something.. involves gettting 4 more motors tho.. instead of the lazy-susan swivels.. at the end of the flat steel stock(with all the holes), mount a motor at the end of each arm and fix the penguin PVC to the motor shaft, wire it and turn it on, that way, they will be going around the ice and spinning also. A problem I can see is how to wire each spinner motor so the wires dont get wrapped around the ice motor shaft as the ice goes around.. also may be a little heavy for the 4 support arms holding the spinner motors... hmmmmm... Anyone? anyone? Beuler? Beuler?

Cased the Walgreens, Walmart, CVS and Michaels here by our house.. no animated deer, but got a bunch(abt 15) of med(12") & large(abt 18") stuffed animals, none more than $1.70! We're going to add teeter-tottering stuffed animals to go with the skaters, and may build a small sliding board too. I am DEFINATELY going to add a snowman being held up by a hair-dryer wielding penguin..

Also got 20 boxes of 100 bulb single-color lights, red, green and blue @ .99/ea! And 10 boxes of 200 bulb, multi-color lights @ $1.70/ea. Not as good deals as the $5 CVS animated deer and doe.. but I'll keep looking.. Next project.. tomato plant cages for the mini trees for the front yard music controller.

CaptnJackSparrow
01-02-2008, 09:02 AM
edited, compacted

CaptnJackSparrow
01-02-2008, 07:33 PM
edited, compacted

Sickie Ickie
01-03-2008, 06:18 AM
Sound great! Looks like you have several props in mind already! :D

Mummy deer-est
01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
... hmmmmm... Anyone? anyone? Beuler? Beuler?

lmao, tj....

you sound like a man on a mission - care to spare some of that energy??
Where did you get the lights?

Blinky
01-03-2008, 12:06 PM
good going TJ

CaptnJackSparrow
01-03-2008, 12:15 PM
Walgreens had the best cache of bulbs.. sadly no animated animals left :( Today wife and I hit some more stores, Paddock Pools was a surprise.. wouldn't have thot to look there.. still had a LOT of LED lights, 60% off, but at $30/box, not that great a deal, but as they were the only store to HAVE LED lights, makes them the place to be I guess.. Gives me that warm feeling plugging in the lights and watching the neighborhood lights dim... Maybe I shud change my name to Clark W. Griswald, or Danny DiVito...

I remember seeing a joke email abt the snowman and hair dryer so it's gonna be in the yard..

Hunter? Looking at the motor you're using in the pix at the top of the thread... is the motor small but just looks bigger in the metal bracket?

Has anyone ordered any of the replacement motors yet? If others are wanting to order some, maybe we can get a price break ordering in quantity..

TJ

CaptnJackSparrow
01-03-2008, 12:22 PM
edited compacted

Sickie Ickie
01-03-2008, 06:29 PM
edited compacted???

CaptnJackSparrow
01-03-2008, 08:12 PM
sorry, I realized after several of the posts that they cudda been put into one(compacted), so I cut/pasted(edited) them together, then cudnt figure out how to kill off 'the empties'.. how do u do that btw, delete a post? I can do it on the other forum...

teege

Sickie Ickie
01-03-2008, 08:53 PM
Don't know. heh I can't do it on my other forum. I think it's a safety so someone can't claim they didn't post something when they actually did.

Blinky
01-09-2008, 07:12 AM
HogHunter : I Love your Little Guys But I have a Question..
On your motor you have 2-L brackets that attach to the arms of the turntable.How come you could not put the plexiglass right down on the L-brackets.? Would that make it off center? Thanks Hugs Blinks

thehoghunter
01-09-2008, 04:03 PM
The cross bars were added due to the fact that plexiglass tends to bend when the area of plexiglass is larger. So if I had not put the crossbars, it would have scrapped the ground.

Blinky
01-09-2008, 04:35 PM
Thanks Hoghunter I sorry I had a Brain fart I should have known that. Duh

Sickie Ickie
11-09-2009, 10:03 AM
Just wanted to say congrats on this incredible project. Once again it topped the charts this year with over 531 views on the sp site!

CaptnJackSparrow
12-05-2009, 08:13 PM
I decided to try this.. built one yesterday using a 48", 3/4" pressboard, wiper motor- powered by a router wallwart (5vdc) to make it spin slower, still kinda fast, but I'm a lil sad I couldnt find plexiglass 48", cheap enough to use..

I mounted the wiper motor on the wooden base, then a Lazy Susan ($5 at HomeDepot) over it to support the weight of the "ice"... I basically made a 48" turntable.. the motor shaft was attached to the "ice thru an aluminum crossbar that "floats" just above the "ice" board to allow for any wobble of the motor. Painted it white, drilled six 3/4" holes for pvc piping to support the stuffed animals. Looks good, but still naught as nice as HH's version with the plexiglass ice..

Just Whisper
12-05-2009, 08:25 PM
Got any pics of your jack? I'd love to see how it came out.

CaptnJackSparrow
12-06-2009, 06:39 AM
Pix from my Ice Skaters yard prop.. I've got some video I'm downloading from my camera I'll post on YouTube and put the link here when it's done.. Still not as nice as HH's.. the plexi really makes the setting...

Just Whisper
12-06-2009, 06:50 AM
It does look cute. I will look forward to seeing the video.

thehoghunter
12-06-2009, 07:33 AM
Funny that you are bringing these guys up again - I just re-did how they work after 2 years of not changing them.


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/th_penguin-iceskate.jpg

I made it so the 'ice' doesn't turn, the penguins are attached to the snowflake that turns in the middle (the large metal brackets I had replaced by coat hangers cut to length). Great Foam painted white for the outside of the pond...although the paint isn't staying on as well as I thought it would.
Also figured out that the clips for putting up your lights on the house make great skates for these guys!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/hunters-moon/Christmas/2007/penguins-on-ice/CIMG7980.jpg

CaptnJackSparrow
12-06-2009, 07:36 AM
'Hunter.. I love the re-do! It looks even better now that the ice is still! I'll have to rethink mine to do the same..

Here's the link to my video: YouTube- IceSkaterPond.mpg

thehoghunter
12-06-2009, 08:57 AM
Looks great Captain Jack...just need to slow it down a bit or penguins will know how to fly!

Some tips if you are putting this outside...drill some drain holes in case of rain/sprinkers and use something like great stuff or hot glue to insure the water can't get under the tree into the motor. Use a marble/steel ball to see where it rolls to the 'low' points - that's where you need the holes to get rid of any standing water (and don't drill it while the lights underneath are on...don't ask!)

Try weather proofing the tree...my tree from the original looked like a Charlie Brown tree by the end of the first season of being in the elements.

CaptnJackSparrow
12-07-2009, 03:20 PM
the board I used was actually the backerboard to my train diarama and it had holes drilled(1/2") for christmas light to be pushed up into the houses that sat on top, so it's already drilled for drains.. and with it spinning so fast, the water will just fly off it :) The tree is one of my eight mini-trees I just put in place to see how it covers the center drive.. I'll probably put a smaller one with battery powered LED lights.. or...

I think I can change to crossarms over the center and cover it with a large snowflake like you did. Would let me pull off the lazy susan plate and use it somewhere else.

Sickie Ickie
12-09-2009, 06:27 AM
If either one (or both) of you could do an updated how-to, it will provide another option for this much beloved prop for people at the SP site.

sassyxmas
01-05-2010, 01:49 AM
To the HogHunter and CaptnJackSparrow,
I love the way BOTH of your finished products came out! They are AMAZING! HH-your ice really makes it look great-that plexiglass truly is a hit! Captn-call me crazy but I just LOVE the speed yours is going at! Hopefully much later this year I'll be able to try making this myself and thanks to both of you, I'm going to incorporate both of your ideas. Thank you so much for sharing--the directions, the pictures, the videos! I personally appreciate it very VERY much!

DanoNJ
01-06-2010, 03:50 PM
Jack, I have and do use a computer power supply for my wipers and use the 3v output (or find a 3v wal wart). It seems to give a good speed for the wipers. Just my 2 cents...